Thursday, December 07, 2006

The Forbes Discussion, archived

The Forbes article "Why you should not marry a career woman" was pretty much the first and only article in the mainstream media which actually held women accountable for their actions - namely telling them that there were consequences to having a career, and those consequences include being less attractive to a member of the opposite sex who is looking for a long-term stable relationship. (And no, bitches, long-term does not mean six-month anniversaries.)

Naturally feminists all over the country slimed out of their dark moist spaces and complained, loudly. So much so that the article was swiftly added, and then a laughable "counterpoint" put in place by a blame-n-shame female, who predictably had nothing on Michael Noer's studies and good writing. Her writing reads like a feminist blog, his reads like Forbes.

Sayonara from the dontgetmarried board graciously put up this link for us to enjoy. There's around six thousand pages of material in here, this should keep you occupied for a while. Most of it is shrill whining by females in the Forbes discussion board, but the replies are worth a read.

Entire Forbes "Don't Marry Career Women" Discussion Forum in PDF


PDF Content Organized Alphabetically by Thread Topic - 28 mb


PDF Content Organized by Thread Date Posted (Message ID) - 28 mb


  1. The Silence of the Wedding Bells?

    Am I the only one who is worried about the collapse of the traditional American family right before our very eyes?

    Census Bureau bureaucrats are not in the habit of making apocalyptic pronouncements, but last year Mark Mather reported that the "dramatic decline" in the married population is "one of the biggest demographic stories of the past several decades." Now, married couples account for a minority - 49.7% to be exact - of all U.S. households.

    The cause of this extraordinary demographic shift is two-fold. First, Americans are getting married only half as often as we used to. Second since 1960, the share of divorced Americans rose from 2% to 10%.

    African-American communities have been especially hard-hit. In 1960 four-fifths of all Black families had fathers and mothers at home. Three decades later, that number had plummeted to 38%.

    As a result of the decline of marriage, illegitimacy is on the upswing. Just last week the National Center for Health Statistics announced that almost four in 10 babies were born out-of-wedlock in 2005.

    All this is very bad news for kids, since children raised only by mothers are more likely to be poor, suffer from a host of behavioral and academic problems, and get in trouble with the law.

    For sure, the great majority of young women say they plan to get married and have kids some day. So why has Cosmo replaced Bride magazine in the supermarket check-out lines?

    Some experts cite the "greater economic independence of women," as if a single mom scraping by on a welfare check is what female liberation is all about. Others argue that Americans are simply delaying the age of marriage, suggesting that women who are nervously watching their biological clocks just need to be a little more patient.

    But there's one fact that's hard to dispute: our country faces an acute shortage of marriage-minded men.

    Two years ago Barbara Whitehead and David Popenoe of Rutgers University did a national survey of single heterosexual men, ages 25-34. To everyone's shock, they found 22% of the men declared no interest in finding their One and Only. That means two million American women will likely never see the inside of a wedding chapel.

    Now, hooking-up is replacing that quaint courtship ritual that used to be known as "dating." When Norval Glenn and Elizabeth Marquardt surveyed college senior women, they found that one-third of the women had been asked on fewer than two dates.

    And this past August the New York Times ran a piece on "Facing Middle Age with No Degree, and No Wife," which revealed the reluctance to wed runs especially deep in less educated men.

    There is overwhelming research that shows marriage benefits both men and women in terms of their financial and emotional well-being. Plus, married folks live longer. So what do we need to do to entice men back into the courtship ritual?

    The Nasty Nellies have been giving marriage a bum rap for years, so sadly there are no quick fixes. But this is what we need to do.

    First, we need to dispose of the boogeyman of the patriarchal ogre lording over his beleaguered wife. If that image was ever true, it certainly doesn't apply to any couple that I know of. In fact, the reverse now seems to be more commonplace: the harried, henpecked husband who's hectored to keep his feet off the furniture during the ball game.

    Second, we need to consider the effects of the 1992 Supreme Court's Planned Parenthood v. Casey decision that banned fathers from participating in decisions to keep the unborn baby, thus leaving them biologically disenfranchised.

    Third, we've got to do more to help boys excel academically. Trash the Title IX quotas, provide special help for boys who are lagging, and tell teachers to stop expecting boys to act like girls.

    Fourth, we need to do a major overhaul of our nation's domestic violence laws, which allow any woman to plunder her husband's assets and steal his children by merely claiming "abuse."

    And fifth, reform of our divorce laws is long overdue, so fathers are encouraged to remain involved in their children's lives as parents, not every-other-weekend visitors.

    Sadly, in low-income Black communities, marriage is essentially a dead institution. And there are groups in our country that now want to extend their agenda of family destruction to society at large.

    The family is the very building block of a civilized and prosperous society. What will it take to bring back the exuberant peal of June wedding bells?

    The only way for boys to be educated and socialized as men - and girls to be educated and socialized as women, by the way - is to eliminate government schools altogether, as well as most of the "laws" that break down the family. The government "schools" were created for the exact purpose of producing unisex drones and slaves. No amount of "reform" is ever going to change that. Parents, in voluntary association with their community, are the only answer to this ever growing problem.

  2. Good work Pete, I've only skimmed through the Forbes forum as it's a vast mess of shrieking women and men mocking them. I'll download these PDFs and have a good read.

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