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The Reversal of 'This was no accident'

You may have read the following article: This Was no Accident. Its about how women often entrap men into paying for and supporting babies they never wanted, whether they're the man's own babies or an unknown other's babies.

This post is sort of a reversal of that, but with far less serious consequences for the woman involved. Links change, so I'll mirror the content here. With anti-feminist material, its good to have all the information spread out so that when the feminists win a small victory (like Ilkka's blog or the old dontmarry boards) the war is not lost.

I'll try to sum up a funny story that happened a few years ago:

I got a vasectomy.

I met a girl soon afterwards. She was nice and attractive but with a selfish streak that raised a big red flag. She was 32 at the time and I could practically HEAR her biological clock ticking. Regardless, she was a good lay, easy on the eyes, and reasonably good company.

I did NOT tell her about my vasectomy and I always used a condom with her to protect against STDs. She assumed, obviously, that the condom was only used for birth control. Silly girl.

We date for a few months. I never made any move towards committment but she brought it up occassionally. For me, this was a casual but pleasant relationship. For her - as I was to find out - it was part of life-changing series of events that she was planning very carefully.

Four months into dating, I get the "I'm pregnant" talk. She's going on and on about how the condom must have broke and now we really need to think about getting married "for the baby". She's positively giddy. She has a baby in her and she thinks she's gonna have a good meal ticket (me) to go along with her new 7lb annuity.

At this point, I'm just as giddy. I get to pull the reverse "oops" on her. I figured that she slept with some bad boy and got knocked up. Good thing I was using condoms! Better still that I have a serious mistrust of women who can't think beyond their own uteri.

So I wait a couple of days to "think about all this." I meet her again. I say I don't want kids and that she should have an abortion. I know where this is going and sure enough it goes there. She goes completely batshit insane on me. There were the usual insults about my manhood. There were threats of legal action. It was all very ugly and I was loving every minute of it.

Well, I let her stew for a few days. She leaves me nasty messages on my phone. She sends awful emails. I'm laughing hysterically.

It was time to drop the hammer. While she was stewing I was busy. First I get a notarized copy from the urologist who performed the vasectomy. Next I get a notorized copy of the TWO test results indicating a "negative test result for sperm" to show I'm sterile and shooting blanks. Finally, I get a letter from a shark attorney stating he has seen the other documents and is prepared to litigate against this woman if she continues to communicate with me in such an unpleasant manner. Also, the letter states that we will insist on DNA testing to show that the baby is not mine. I'm ready.

I meet with this woman at her place. I bring flowers and a small bit of jewelry to show I am willing to reconcile and assume my responsibilities as a new father. I also have stuck in my pocket the documents I have prepared.

She's all giddy again. Her plan is going perfectly - or so she thinks. We talk about our future. We have some pretty good sex. Then, as I am about to walk out the door, I ask her the $64,000 question. "Are you sure that this baby is mine?"

Well, she goes batshit insane again. Hell, she ought to. Her plan could completely unravel if there is ANY question about my paternity. Oh, she's really screaming now. How dare I question her morals. Do I think she's a slut. I'm just trying to weasel out of my responsbilities... blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda.

I'm not really mad. I'm kind of embarrassed for her. But since she won't shut up and the neighbors can hear all of this, I ask her to step back inside and sit down. She sits on the sofa and calms down a bit. She is glaring at me with all the moral self-righteousness that only a woman can muster up. She thinks she has me trapped. She is 100% convinced her plan has worked. Oh, the tangled web of lies and deceit she has wrought around herself and I am about to hack through them with a few pieces of paper.

I reach into my pocket slowly. I extract the three pieces of paper and unfold them slowly and deliberately.

I tell her simply, "You're screwed".

Her look doesn't change. There is no way she can fathom what I have prepared.

I continue. "I am sterile"

Her look changes just a bit. Something is beginning to sink in. Naturally, she reverts to women's logic. "You're full of shit. You're trapped and you know it."

I hold up the letter and the test results. "Three months before we met, I had a vasectomy. Here is a notarized letter from him stating what I had done. Here are two test results showing that I tested negative for the presence of sperm. Blanks. I am shooting blanks. That baby inside you is simply not mine."

This woman is not to be swayed by logic and clear documentation. "Bullshit, those are fakes."

I was ready for that. "No, they are real. This last piece of paper is from my attorney. It's a simple letter to you that states if you pursue any kind of legal action against me for child support that I will insist on a DNA test to prove paternity, that is, to prove that your baby is not mine."

I give the woman all the documents. She reads them slowly, deliberately. With each passing second she can feel in her soul that she has made a very bad mistake. With denial swept away, she started to cry. It's a small cry at first. Then it becomes deeper and more painful. By the time she gets to the letter from the lawyer she is sobbing.

I had no sympathy for her. I turned and walked out the door. Even after I closed the door I could still hear her sobbing.

Epilog -

I never heard directly from this woman again. I did hear through my friends that she did indeed have the baby. I also heard that the real father was some guy in a band she had met. I assumed that after 30, women stopped going after musicians, bikers, criminals, and thugs. Silly me for thinking the best of American women.

The Moral of the Story -

Get a vasectomy but keep it a secret.

Beautiful story, poetic justice.

Still alive

I'm still alive, although I did think I was about to die when I received a laceration on my hand on Monday night. I was opening a can (pizza sauce, if you must know) and while pulling up the lid, my hand slipped and I ended up with a gash across two fingers and a visit to the emergency room of the local hospital.

My stay there was another story of the wanton neglect and outright disrespect men - especially fit young men - receive at the hands of jaded RNs and admissions ladies, but that's a different story for another day. At the end I was made to wait six hours for a simple cut that took the doctor literally two minutes to see and glue together - which he promptly fucked up by not following the instructions on the glue (Dermabond) and which has landed me with one finger that refuses to heal.

Oh well, the male role is to soldier on - we ain't called the disposable sex for nothing!

The Secret Love Lives of Teenage Boys

I was going through a copy of Time today, and happened upon this article. Here's another link if that one doesn't work.

Social scientists who study young love are discovering that contrary to popular belief, male adolescents don't just want to have fun.

Evidently, the researchers are shocked to learn that men aren't "after one thing" as is so eloquently put in the media. In fact, it can often be the girl who is after "that thing"!

And here's something that surprised even Giordano: both boys and girls agreed that girls have the power in heterosexual relationships, including when it comes to sex. "She wanted to do it more than I did," said an 18-year-old male. "She said that I wasn't mature enough and, you know, all that stuff ... I was too young, I was scared, I didn't know what I was doing, I wasn't ready for it ... [But] she was my girlfriend, and that's what she wanted."

Can you imagine the same statement with the genders reversed? Everyone and anyone who reads it would be talking about how the girl was coerced, raped, taken advantage of, et cetera ad nauseam. The fact that girls have all the power in relationships comes as no surprise to a man who has courted a woman. Not only does the girl get to only drop hints if she is interested in a guy, but she also gets to vilify the guy as a stupid oaf if he doesn't get hints as vague as flipping her hair 6 times in 15 minutes as opposed to 4 times in 10 minutes when she is not dropping hints. Women have the right of first refusal, women have the right of physical abuse, the right of physical abuse, and the right to cheat on him and have feminists support her because she did it for "emotional reasons" and because she was "not getting the intimacy she needed."

There were exceptions, of course. Take "Donny," a boy who filled the classic role of the player. At 17, he estimated that he'd had 35 sexual partners, some of whose names he couldn't recall. He had cheated on his girlfriends. He confessed to some physical abuse of them. But the really notable thing about Donny was how few Donnys there were. Fewer than a quarter of the boys surveyed felt that other kids thought of them as players. "That number of [Donny types] is in fact smaller than everybody believes," Giordano says.

Here's the archetypical "bad boy," the one who gets the juices flowing and soaks the panties of his girls. Of course he admits to a little physical abuse, the girls adore him! I believe the 80/20 rules applies here - in high school and pretty much any stage before their biological clocks start ticking, 80% of the girls regularly sleep with 20% of the boys.

It seems as if popular culture is waking up to the reality of the emotionally responsive male. Willowy, sensitive actors like Tobey Maguire and Topher Grace are looming larger on marquees.

Oh, for Christ's sake. These gutterburglars are just replacing one stereotype with another. There are plenty of boys who are strong when they need to be and emotional when they want to be. Boys don't just fit into neatly defined feminist categories that are oh so conveniently defined by women. Boys are not just macho and stoic or wish-washy and emotional.

Rules for Single Women

I recently came across the Rules for Single Women at the dontgetmarried board and posted it on the local craigslist.


When I checked my email the next day, there were quite a few replies waiting for me! I was surprised since I hadn't seen any responses over at craigslist, but here they were, vitriol from single women, vitriol from men, but in there were a couple of gems... its so nice to be able to put a light in someone's life, even if its a dim glimmer of hope.

I really appreciate what you wrote. Feeling pretty pissy about my dating
options. Seeing too many women that are self centered. Yeah, I was in a
bad mood, but your post made my day better. So thank you.

It has Best of CL written all over it.

mt

Whoever you are you are very perceptive and honest.

My favorite; “The kharmic retribution for putting good men into the "Friend Zone" while getting hurt by bad boys is to become bitter, angry, and the owner of at least three cats.”

TM

Well guys, I can't really take credit for the post but I'm happy it has affected you enough to make you respond to it. Believe me, I'm as unhappy as anyone about how far society has allowed the rot to spread.

Here are the rules quoted for posterity... credit goes to the original anonymous poster.

Rules for Single Women.

• If you think all men are pigs, expect to live alone when you get older.
• If you have 100 reasons to reject a man, expect to live alone when you get older.
• Prince Charming is gay.
• Rich, attractive, nice - you can only have two in a man.
• If you ask a man on a first date how much he earns or what kind of car he drives, he gets to look at your bare breasts while you are still in the restaurant.
• If you answer your cell phone during a first date, he has the right to immediately get up and leave with no explanation.
• Choosey and "stuck up" are closely related.
• At 40, single "Rules Girls" become single, lonely women.
• If you expect a man to pay for everything, you'll need a strong jaw and a good tongue.
• Perfect men don't exist. Good men are everywhere.
• It's OK not to want kids. It's not OK to sacrifice your personal life and goals for your career.
• The kharmic retribution for putting good men into the "Friend Zone" while getting hurt by bad boys is to become bitter, angry, and the owner of at least three cats.
• You are not a princess no matter what your T-Shirt states. If you really think you are a princess, then you'd better have the body of a stripper, the face of an angel, and the personality of a saint. Even so, only Prince Charming can marry a princess and Prince Charming is gay.
• Your single girlfriends don't want you to have a happy relationship with a man. Consider this when listening to their advice.
• A man won't say "I love you" until he is 100% confident that you won't use this against him. This might take years, be patient because men can be sensitive, too.
• Taking the time to look your best is not optional. After all, if you can catch his eye then you can catch his heart. Being agreeable, pleasant, and happy will seal the deal.
• Smiles and laughter are contagious and can melt any man's heart.
• The unintended consequence of independence is loneliness.
• There is a fine line between expecting that a man pay for everything and being a common prostitute.
• Excessive complaining is neither attractive nor polite.
• You are entitled to nothing. However, you can expect rewards for working hard for something.
• Before you say "it's all his fault" after a bad date, look closely in the mirror.
• It's not always men making you unhappy. Don't let bitter women convince you of that.
• Being strong doesn't mean being bitchy. Southern women have known this for generations.
• You can't have it all. Please have the good sense to realize this.
• Compromise is not surrender, it's what is necessary to have a good relationship.
• Don't expect men to fall all over you just because you are a woman. Feminism taught men to be independent, too.
• There's nothing wrong with looking feminine.
• If he doesn't call you back, it means he's just not really into you. Deal with it.
• If you meet a man, don't find reasons to reject him or things to change in him. Find reasons to accept him and respect him.
• "As if" and "whatever" are immature insults used by 12 year olds, not intelligent young women.
• The common word in "drink whore" and "dinner whore" is still whore.
• Sorry girl, it's NOT all about you so you can change your T-Shirt now.
• Many men would rather chase women, not girls.
• Given the current state of divorce laws, don't expect any man to marry you. It's not you, it's just how things are right now.
• Hanging around gay men won't give you any useful insights about straight men. Frankly, hanging around gay men is just creepy.
• "No fat chicks" is the man's version of "If you're rich, I'm single".
• Winning a man is easy, keeping a man requires hard work.
• Advertising "Bitch" on your T-Shirt or sweatpants won't get you any dates. Single men don't care for that attitude.
• Deferring self-gratification is a sign of maturity. You can wait until dinner even if you're hungry now.
• The real world is pushy, rude, and often unpleasant. That doesn't mean you have to be the same way.
• If you dress like a tart, expect to be treated like a tart.

Amen.

Hey, haven't I seen this before?

I was bored and started clicking the button, and came across this gem. My life in Atlanta: Good to be home

I'll quote the relevant part so you don't have to go through the inane rantings of some self-absorbed woman, but the gist is that she's a Singaporean living in the US, and she is almost totally westernized by the looks of it. Remember guys, foreign women are not different from American women - once they're brought here, they get the same poisoning and turn into the same bitches that American women do.

I picked up the latest copy of The Sunday Times and found it amusing that ST seems to run the same old stories over and over again. The headlines screamed "Why foreign brides are HOT while local brides are NOT". Hello? Didn't ST cover this story many years back? Why are we revisiting this issue AGAIN? Singaporean men who marry foreign brides should know by now that they can't keep up with intelligent Singaporean girls and should just shut up and go back to their quiet, submissive foreign brides.

Well hello there, I bet you'd make a great feminist, and probably self-identify as one too, but of course you're "not one of those feminists" if asked.

In the comments section:

Anonymous said... dear carrie,

there's always 2 sides to the coin when it comes to an argument, in this case the foreign brides issue.

maybe we singaporean men have found that local woman are getting simply too demanding and obnoxious?

Her reply:

J? I've nothing against anybody nor am I ignoring the flip side of the coin, just peeved with ST's angle to the the story and the headlines. ST seems to imply that local men prefer wives from overseas because there's something fundamentally wrong with local women. Perhaps, next time, should they like to run the same, old story again, they should use a different headline, one that does not incriminate local girls for the lack of attractiveness of local men who can't measure up to them.

The more things change, the more they remain the same. Change singaporean girl to american girl or british girl or australian girl, and you've summed up the same argument that gets repeated in countless forums, blogs and newspapers - that the men are stupid and dumb and abusive, and foreign women are submissive, which a Real Man™™ would never want, as this strong and independent woman knows that a domineering local woman is the best!

Teen female promiscuity blamed on the usual suspects

So here we have some authoritative sources blaming men and society for the fact that more teen girls than boys lose their virginity when they're young.

World Sex Survey Reveals Surprises

Here's a quote:

Multiple sexual partners, it turns out, are more common in industrialized than in developing nations.

So why is sexual health such a huge problem? The study suggests that unequal treatment of girls and women as the major sexual-health issue.

Is there anything that can't be blamed on society and men? These poor oppressed women are PERSECUTED into giving up their virginity (not like she could actually want sex!) in the back of the handsome jock's car, don't ya know? That's after he tortured them with a movie and/or a dinner where he cruelly opened his wallet as far as it would go, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

We should castrate all our boys so that this inequality can be rectified.

"The data make a powerful case for an intervention focus on the broader determinants of sexual health, such as poverty and mobility, but especially gender inequality."

These people see gender inequality in everything, and isn't it funny how the playing field is always uneven for women, never for men?

Marriage is no safeguard of sexual health. It is more difficult for married women to negotiate safe sex and condom use than it is for single women.

Among girls who marry at a very young age, "very early sexual experience within marriage can be coercive and traumatic."

All sex is rape, so it figures that sex within marriage is also rape. And its the first rape, so it has to special - specially coercive and traumatic. I wonder how these people look at their naked bodies in the bathroom everyday. Oh wait, they may be pedophiles like Germaine Greer!

"Sexuality is an essential part of human nature and its expression needs to be affirmed rather than denied if public-health messages are to be heeded," Wellings and colleagues argue.

They actually mean female sexuality, a simple slip of the tongue there. Male sexuality is violent and to be kept in check. Coercive and traumatic sexual experiences are caused when the pustulent male comes in contact with the pure and virginal female. Kind of like how members of the Women's KKK whipped up the men around them into a fury by complaining that a nigger had looked at them the wrong way.

Sex study finds feminism turns girls into sluts, news at 11

Saw this on Google News... Sex study finds girls start earlier

The study showed girls who turned 15 between 1995 and 1999 were more likely to have had sex than those who turned 15 between 1975 and 1979.

The study revealed boys who turned 15 between 1995 and 1999 were less likely to lose their virginity earlier than those who turned 15 between 1975 and 1979.

So it turns out that not only are women becoming sluttier with each generation, they are far ahead of men. Equal opportunity case, anyone? :-D

Frankly, I'm not surprised. We do know that Australia and the UK are two of the most feminized countries in the world (as opposed to socialized, which Scandinavian Europe takes the cake for) although the US is not far behind. So it stands to reason that as boys are told to be ashamed of their sexuality while we celebrate all instances of female sexuality, it is clear that women will start having sex earlier, with all the social ills that brings along, teenage pregnancy being only one of them. Of course the balm used to heal those ills will be made out of men's sweat and blood in the form of taxes.

Boys and girls who have sex before 15 account for less than 10 per cent of the population.

They are obviously trying to minimize the impact of the study by implying that these whores make up only a small segment of the total population. In typical feminist fashion, this is irrelevant information - we don't care about the percentage of sluts in the total population, tell us the pertinent information - Boys and girls who have sex before 15 account for [X]% of the total adolescent population.

Another interesting bit was about the average age of sex - in countries without feminist influence and with a strong marriage culture, the ages are different - men select younger, more fecund wives who have presumably not had more cocks than a chicken farm. I hope nobody compares Nigeria's 15.5 to Australia's 17.5 - look up the life expectancy of the average Nigerian and the average Australian.

The global study found the average age Australians lost virginity was 17.5 years for both sexes.

In Nigeria it's 15.5 years for women and 20.5 years for men, and in Indonesia, 18.5 years for women and 24.5 years for men.

All very interesting stuff, and I'm sure the situation in the rest of the feminized countries will be much the same. Look for this and all future studies not exploring the "girls are angels and princesses" party-approved subject to be quashed.


I know there will be people who will think, "So what's the problem? The boys in school are getting hot pieces of underage ass, I fully approve of this!" but I'm going to take the high road and say that it is not good for society to have women who are such sluts.